The P365s lower profile sights are smaller and allow me to see more of the target. In fact, if my P365 broke tomorrow, Id have no reservations about carrying the Hellcat, though. The smaller the gun, the easier it is to conceal. Both companies offer a 15-round option for their guns which gives you Glock 19 firepower. So far she loves it. The sig is a fantastic little gun that shoots well and stays on target well for follow up, and the day night sights are easy to acquire. So, which one is right for you? Wheres the Glock 43x (capable of 15 rounds in a similar size) or the Taurus G3C which is optics ready and feature rich? SIG offers the safety as an accessory kit, they are moving briskly and getting installed by owners who only need to make a small modification. Don't go through all I did, just get the P365X or XL. However, if you prefer a smaller gun, the SIG P365 may be a better choice. It just feels so perfect in the hand. YOU are. The introductory photo points counter-clockwise and is level. Yeah, neither gun hav as many rounds as the Hellcat, but I'm ok w/ a 7 or 8 round mag. Not truly a pocket gun it fits inside pretty good. Two of the most popular choices on the market are the Springfield 911 and the Sig P938. I carry my Micro 9 w/ a 7 round mag in it and have a back up 8 round mag in my left front pocket. All of the P938s feature aluminum alloy frames and stainless steel slides, so they are extremely durable. It is 6.75 inches long and 4 inches tall. The P938 and Micro 9 are basically the same gun, just different manufacturers. On the other hand, the Hellcats sights are both larger and taller which makes them obscure the target a little more. The Hellcat has a polymer frame and a stainless steel slide, and it comes with tritium night sights. (And no I don't work for Springfield Armory!). The wife and I both have Springfields as our primary carry pieces. Id change the image if any pushback were made in good faith, but that isnt the case. I also never brought up the fact the P365 and Hellcat had reliability issues from release, thats not very inspiring for a gun you are going to carry everyday. The only gun missing in the comparison is the G43xMOS, which is really good. I train with this pistol at 10 - 15 yards and get good groups. With todays selections you can find a pistol that is virtually custom built. 141 Overall By The Minnesota Vikings, Georgia Player Makes Racist Comments During NFL Draft, Teams Need To Request Standing Ovation 24 Hours In Advance To Avoid Pitch Clock Violation, Let's Go Practice With Golfer Paige Spiranac, Only 1 SEC Program Didn't Have A Player Drafted This Year, SEC Fans Are Not Gonna Love What Chargers Coach Brandon Staley Said About TCU, Nick Saban Throws Shade At Nate Oats While Announcing The Suspension Of DB Tony Mitchell, Eight SEC Teams Make NCAA Tournament, Here's The Seedings & Schedules, Chris Beard Officially Named Head Coach At Ole Miss, Former Texas Coach Chris Beard Emerges As A Top Candidate For The Ole Miss Job, SI Predicts Three Permanent Opponents For Each SEC Team If League Moves To Nine-Game Model, Olivia Dunne Talks About Her Relationship With Paige Spiranac. However, it doesn't include the best Hellcat model of all, the Pro OSP! The P365s trigger has a fairly short travel, followed by a skosh of creep before a crisp break. Shield Plus: $553 (pistol) + $420 (mags) = $973. In the magazine department, the Hellcat takes the lead. If this were my carry gun Id put sandpaper style grip tape in-between, below, and behind the serrations (probably cutting my own from Talon Grips granulate material). Lets start with the rails. One thing to consider is that the 365 can be had for smidge under $400 dollars these days, so oddly the Sig is currently the value leader between the two. You say the Shield has the best serrations but that you havent even touched the Ruger, which objectively has the best slide serrations. Kel-Tec pistols are generally ok, but Sig, S&W, Springfield, and Ruger are generally better. Dont like the color of your 365, buy another grip and move on. Not too many play with the 938 safety, and fewer still would delete it SIG sells the 365 proven safe without it and you can add one as you please. The problem is that I have no problem carrying something that is say G19 size. I go to my local range about twice a month (once a month since Septembe of 2020, when the ammo shortage really hit locally). I have a slight preference for the Sig 365 over the Hellcat, but I run Sigs in competition and have been carrying a 365 since just after Shot 2018. Check out this excellent review of the P365 and the Hellcat! The Glock 26 is bigger in every dimension and still only holds 10 rounds in its flush-fitting magazine. Conclusion I have a hellcat micro love it easy to pocket carry even in the summer I also carry the 642 smith both are great conceal and very reliable guns. Dan has smaller hands (and less hair on his head and hes also shorter and, like, super old and stuff), though, and feels differently. P365 vs Hellcat personal experience. Its remarkable, really, to pack so much into such small pistols. this is the article I have been waiting on. Deal with it. Lets say ammo is the same for every pistol, and the MSRPs are the base ones listed in the article, then we get a starting cost of: P365: $579 (Pistol) + $500 (mags) = $1,079 I mean, they rust super easily. Glock 19 Gen 5 Vs Taurus G3Seriously Closer Than You May Think! Sig Sauer popped the whole thing off with the P365 in 2018, and, since then, its been Americas favorite handgun. The Sig P938 is a subcompact 9mm pistol that is just 6.6 inches long and 3.9 inches tall. On man-sized targets, there isnt any real difference, but on small dots, its evident. Any money spent on firearms will be for magazines. No, of course not. Heads-Up Comparison: P365 vs. Hellcat vs. MAX-9 vs. M&P9 Shield Plus, Police Are Losing Credibility in the Gun World, Two of Smith & Wessons 90s Stainless Metallic Fantastics, Gun Review: Springfield Armory Ronin EMP 3 9mm 1911, Gun Review: Henry U.S. Im set concealed & sub compact. Too hot, and it jams, too light and it jams (the only reason I still own it was because I only paid $125 used for it). I have no need for a micro-compact. After shooting all four guns, I wont be trading in my P365. The Hellcat also has a magazine extension that can be purchased separately. Obviously if this is your practice then its a cost you should factor in. Carry a flashlight to ID your target (truly mandatory if you have that teenager sneaking home late) and avoid tragedy. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Ultimately i thibk im gonna go with the P365X model for the longer grip while maintaining concealablity. My go to for every day carry is the Sig P365xl with the Wilson Combat grip module. Loading that 10 shot mag is no worse than the 6 shot 938 mag which is a direct result of both guns having shorter barrels, higher cyclic speeds, and a very short window to lift the ammo up and prevent an override. Dark. For me? If one of these companies started making a 22lr conversion, then the cost of use changes completely. The clip holds six rounds, and you can get another round in the chamber for the traditional 6+1 setup. Its an extremely easy micro-compact to shoot well. Of the guns you've mentioned, the only one I have is the Kimber Micro 9. It says much more about those who see dark portents and symbols everywhere than about those who innocently publish the photo. Well, we are keeping it basic. If you choose one or the other, you wont have any issues finding holsters. Copyright 2023 Pew Pew Media, Inc. All rights reserved. If these were normal times the price difference alone makes them far better guns for the price. It hasnt let me down yet. Heres a look at some of the key differences between the Springfield 911 and the Sig P938: Both are small, lightweight guns that are easy to carry and conceal. My recent Custom II 45 purchase turned out great..lucky I guess. A tracker in .44, TCP, and a G2. In this case by website listing, except S&W, which I cant find on their website , p365 mags are listed at $49.99 x 10 magazines = $500 If I were just picking both up now, it would be hard to pick. The Hellcat is a striker-fired pistol with a 3-inch barrel. Click below for a FREE LESSON! Springfield Armory Hellcat Specs and Features Specs Caliber 9mm Luger Action Semi-Auto Safety No Weight 1.15 lbs Barrel Length 3in Overall Length 6in / 7in Trigger Pull about 5.5lbs Finish Black / Flat Dark Earth Magazine Capacity 11+1-Round, 13+1-Round Magazine Included 1 x 11-Round, 1 x 13-Round Magazine Type Removable Front Sight My usual EDC is the Hellcat. The Hellcat vs Hellcat micro debate is one that has been around for quite some time. While the cost of additional magazines and every other sort of accessory IS definitely relevant and I agree it would have been something worth mentioning in my article, your premise that its a necessary expense that must be factored in is incorrect for the vast majority of consumers, and the suggestion that among the fraction of owners who do buy an extra mag(s) that they buy 10 of them is grossly exaggerated. The Glock 17 idea was pretty much stolen from the Heckler and Koch VP70. Yeah. The Shield Plus is markedly flatter and softer shooting than the other three pistols in this roundup, and the larger grip circumference and curvier shape provide tons of confidence and control. They also had the Sig in stock. Both Hellcats had less then 200 rounds through them, that tells me something. They all have great triggers, great sights (or at least the option of great sights), optics cuts (or the option for that), and double-digit capacities. Even that one almost got traction before the DB finally backed off. Sure, its the lightest of the four by a small amount and perhaps it balances slightly differently, but I think these differences are too small to really notice on the range. Man, I wish ammunition would get as cheap as firearms. Gotta shoot em, baw. Its accurate, reliable, and easy to carry. Thanks to the larger grip circumference and different shape of the Hellcats grip, it feels and shoots like its larger than the P365 even if ones pinky is wrapped under the mag. They will only go dead again. Weight: The Springfield 911 is also lighter than the Sig P938. Obviously, I like it. Not sure the intent of the article was/is to review every similar gun in existence. Just out of curiosity, I took my 938 and my Springfield Hellcat out to the range for a comparison shoot at 25 yards. Then was convicted to jump to the 365 for the extra capacity but never shot that gun as well so on to the 365XL, which was great with a red dot. Again though, it was one clear area in which these four pistols differed so I chose to call it out. Size: The Springfield 911 is a little bit smaller than the Sig P938. 803K views 3 years ago #TFBTV In this episode of TFBTV, James Reeves reviews the new Springfield Hellcat and compares it to the SIG P365. Its probably no surprise that when we tried all four of these new little guys at the LGS a few weeks ago handling, but not shooting we both preferred the Hellcat for how it felt in the hand and its general ergonomics. Hey guys, I'm in the market for a micro 9mm for possibly pocket carry and am trying to decide what to get. Springfield Hellcat Micro Compact For Sale Springfield Armory Hellcat 3In Micro-Compact 9Mm Pistol (Hc9319B) gritrsports.com 449.00 View Deal Springfield Hellcat Micro-Compact 9Mm 3 Barrel 13-Rounds Night. If youre such a big fan of this model and cannot handle it being compared to its competition, then go read its stand-alone review. One could argue that the tritium-illuminated fiber optic front sight on the MAX-9 is better, but my eye prefers the P365s front dot. However, very few of us will buy ten of them for range trips or competition, simply because its largely NOT purchased for extensive range shooting or long days with a beeper up against your skull. The 9mm and .45 ACP models both come with night sights, while the .380 ACP and .22 LR models do not. Most of the issues I have had have been from bad ammo rather than the actual gun. However, they both have a few features worth mentioning that set them apart. 90% of owners will use the two magazines included with each of these pistols and never buy more. The Hellcat is a bit larger than the Hellcat micro, but it has a much higher wattage output. 22294 Views 55 Replies 38 Participants Last post by pooty, Jan 30, 2021. While S&W officially states the Shield Plus width, exclusive of the controls, as 0.94 inches I must disagree. The floating kind for the inevitable boating accident in your future. Still a micro-compact, the Shield Plus represents a meaningful bump in backstrap length versus the P365 despite its identical 10+1 flush-fit capacity. IMO the best gun is the Shield but opinions may vary. If youre looking for a smaller gun thats easy to shoot, the P938 is the better option. I havent shot the Ruger. Most versatile when it comes to upgrades or swapping between models. With 15,000 rounds through a Beretta Nano and shooting the others in comparison in a test at my gun club. Never owned a Sig before but I sure like this one. They're really handy. The most important factor to consider when choosing a concealed carry gun is its size. Ruger wins the slide serration contest. The Sig P938 is a smaller pistol that is easy to conceal, while the Hellcat is a larger pistol that has a higher capacity magazine. I had to get used to what to do with my pinky finger with the std 10 round magazine but that just took a little practice. Academy Sports in Tennessee today, 3 single stack Glocks Surreal how few firearms are left here. Sigs P365 features a broader magazine release, but the Hellcat is taller. Agreed. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sXldafIl5DQ keep em coming. The Hellcat has a fixed white dot front sight and a U-notch rear sight. In fact, I replaced the trigger in my Hellcat with one from Apex to make it a little more refined. A four way review of highly similar guns is interesting. The P938 is a single-action only pistol, meaning that the hammer must be cocked manually before each shot. But it was light on the wallet, and light on the hip. Well its technically its not even that, its just close enough that people not in the know could mistake it. The slide serrations on the Hellcat are very aggressive and go over the top of the slide. I'm currently carrying my spare mags in AmmoArmor carriers that protect them and let me just drop them into my pocket. I have a Sig 365SAS and it has become the most often carried pistol in my collection. I own my second P365, traded my original for one with a safety, with a 12 rd magazine which fits my hand perfectly. I have a Shield in both a 40 and a 9. He lives outside of Austin, TX. I like the S&W M&P Shield. None of them shoot as mild and the Nano is built like a the proverbial tank. I was there when Jeremy arranged the guns for that photo and neither of us saw anything wrong with it. Check it out! My personal choice for concealed carry at the moment is the CZ 2075 RAMI and Im saving $$$ for a Springfield EMP. Held the new S&W and it felt great. Im Jewish and I approve the perfectly benign lead photo. It's been my main cc gun when I'm not at work. I preferred the long slide on the shorter grip, small to carry but shot better with more barrel. Agreed . No. Strangely, all problems with all the duds were out of the box. Point of Aim and Point of impact are pretty far apart, as it shoots way low regardless of distance. Ultimately theyre sub-compacts (which is how both companies define them), not micro-compacts. I purchased the Hellcat OSP. That said, the manual safety on the Ruger MAX-9 is just right. (He did both.) Haven't had the opportunity to check out a Hellcat. Anyway, three years later and the P365 still feels the smallest of these four handguns. Since this article came out the Shield Plus can be purchased optics ready and the OR version comes factory with night sights. These sig p938 dimensions make the Glock longer (6.5 inches) and the P365 to be shorter (5.8 inches). I have compared both and the Hellcat Pro is by far the next! Just the Ruger. And I know it exists, because I have one. With a bit more sight radius and the xray3 sights, I can acquire and get rounds on target at 10 yards without issue. A 5 year old 938 is aging, at best, better to move it while the tritium is still visible. This is a comparison and when you compare back-to-back the difference is meaningful. The Rugers provide the best purchase followed by Sig, followed by Smith, followed by Springfield. I find myself carrying the P365 the most. Its about like using a 19 mag in a 26. For pocket carry, my choice would be a Springfield 911 9mm or Sig P938. He loves it. Agree 100% I have a KelTec P10 ( SCCY Twin) and the Taurus G2 Subcompact is in a ( superior) league of its own compare to that guns and the others you referenced. Both are textured and plenty easy to use. Its basically pebbled like sandpaper, but with the peaks softened just enough that it doesnt cause too much irritation if its against your skin while being carried concealed. Havent held the Ruger but it seems like a best buy for the dough. All the mags come with the necessary equipment. There is a reason it is not sold anymore, it is outdated. May invest in the XL soon for my wife. At their price point, why not? The Hellcat is an excellent choice for concealed carry. Its a great gun and it was extremely reliable and accurate and easy to carry. The Hornady is also my go to, but there is none to be had right now, so conservation of current stock rules. With little exception theyre the same just buy what is the MOST EXPENSIVE to ensure that you have bragging rights. Some at the end like the 365 would actually Hurt my hand and I could really feel it. I could have gotten one for well under MSRP, that also tells me something. Which would you carry? More or less, the Sig P365 has a decocker or manual safety that makes it secured. Possibly a Hellcat to achieve higher capacity, but I have yet to see one. It provides more grip and control than appearances might suggest, yet it wont scratch up or overly irritate the tender princess skin on your hip. I want a clean, small gun that I can conceal, fire accurately, and not have to worry about things going wrong in the heat of the moment. Its also a reliable and accurate gun, making it a good choice for self-defense or target shooting. The community shows this every day and rejects hateful messaging HARD. My nephew playing with a tattoo gun , tattooed a skull above his knee. Dry fired the other models and felt they were all a little small for my hand size. The P938 has a polymer frame and a stainless steel slide, and it comes with Sigs excellent Night Sights. And the Shield Plus weighs two ounces more. Sig 365 vs Hellcat vs Sig P938 vs Glock 43 vs Kel Tec PF-9 Accuracy Test MSFT PISTOLS OF THE WEEK. Front-to-rear length of the grip frame is also significantly longer than any of the other guns here. Its still small, of course, so itll fit basically anyones hand (or at least shouldnt be too large for anyone), but I just find it weird. This allows you to swap your FCU between grip modules and slide lengths. On paper, hardly a difference. It is powerful enough to stop an attacker, but not so powerful that it is likely to over-penetrate and injure innocent bystanders. Required fields are marked *. On the other hand, the frontstrap is where the shooters fingers do most of their gripping, and the lower toe of the P365 allows my mens size large hands to place precisely half a pinky firmly on the frontstrap. Bullseye sight took a small adjustment period, but once used to it I find the little pistol very accurate to the 25 yards I would expect from the short barrel. I am wondering if the trigger is the same now on the Max 9? In heads-up articles like this in the future, however, I will list magazine cost as a separate note and people can factor that in as they please. The Taurus G2C compared to the actual gun in this article is 0.4 longer, 0.4 taller, and 0.2 thicker. The Walther is way ahead. How many micro compacts are there these days? This week the same retailer had the Shield Plus for $356 so now I own both. Like cars, tritium is ok if you keep trading up, but after a point, its not worth the upkeep. Beats giving your adversary a free gun. Its noticeable and its worth mentioning when these pistols are specifically designed to be as skinny, short, and lightweight as they can be. The Hellcat, on the other hand, is a bit larger and heavier. So, theyre all the same. And stay in touch with newsletters of our best articles on techniques, guns, & gear. We'll send you the latest guides and training tips geared They then proceeded to do the same thing with the OK symbol. A series of similar articles about different guns, chosen for whatever reason, would be useful. Grip texture on the P365 is just about perfect for me. Im a big fan of the texture, size, and shape of this grip frame and I found that the rounded/tapered backstrap gave me a really clear index point or frame of reference for where the muzzle was pointing. A 1911 is heavier therefore does more damage, stopping power. How are these for emergency reloads? I love the great smooth, deliberate DAO on the Nano and Kahr. Next is the Ruger MAX-9, which is only very slightly less flippy than the P365, then theres a jump to the Springfield Hellcat, which is noticeably softer, and then another solid leap to the Smith & Wesson M&P9 Shield Plus, which shoots like a well-tuned compact, not a sub-compact or micro-compact. Like oddball ammo loads, as things return to a newer normal a lot of small lot manufacturing will hit the wayside while makers attempt to completely supply the bigger sellers. No experience with the Hellcat but if capacity is an issue, I'd look harder at it. I owned a LC9S for many years, but got rid of it due to the trigger had become too light. I took the lead photo in my heads-up article here and I published it. The password should contain at least 8 characters with at least one number or special character. Depending on what Im wearing I carry a S&W shield or a RMRd CZ P-07. It also has a nice trigger and is very accurate. Weighing in at just over a pound, the P938 is easy to carry and conceal. Its been known to break and seize the gun up. I need to pick up another m&p at some point, the new models really have a nice trip texture on them. I prefer the Hornady over SIGs proprietary ammo, as SIGs was hit and miss availability prior to the shortage. Follow us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting. At least, on paper the P11 belongs here (5.6 length, 4.3 height, 1.0 width, 17.1 oz, 10+1 flush-fit with a 12-round and 15-round magazine available). The SIG is overpriced for what it is and no Springfields for me, Thanks. In general, I figure the most expensive thing is probably ammo (especially now), then mags, then the difference in price of the gun. If you see that terrible WWII national socialist symbol in innocent things like this picture then youre the one with the problem and youre the one glamorizing those horrible national socialist fascists and continuing to give them power, not me or this community. I think all the problems was a batch of bad firing pins and a couple bad trigger springs and a few of them broke in the hands of prominent people, which amplified the appearance of what was a brief and and rare glitch. He is interested in helping folks protect themselves with firearms and shoot better at the range. Capacity certainly is a plus. The problem with that myth is this pedigree: So, if you are looking for a gun with more features, the Hellcat may be worth the extra cost. I've run a few mags through a rental hellcat it shot better then I expected, not a lot of snap. No tools needed, just dont lose it. Ive always considered my personal EDC since 2018, my P365 seen in these photos, to be a highly controllable gun and dang do I shoot the thing quickly and accurately, but without a doubt it has the most felt recoil and muzzle flip of the guns in this quadfecta. Thanks! The Hellcat implements a standoff device at the front of the gun. Copyright @2023 TigerDroppings.com. (I know, tHe p365 Is A BeTtEr ChOiCe blah blah) and the capacity of the hellcat is fantastic. Wouldnt expect a blog to create a compendium of every handgun commercially available for purchase, so some will naturally not receive attention. It seems to be the closest match capability and design-wise. So I use the SF XD. Some guns had super bad problems, I just think it was way, way rarer than most folks believe. There are a lot of factors to consider when choosing a concealed carry handgun. Well, I carry the Sig Sauer P365. The P938 comes in a variety of finishes and calibers. Obviously, on a pistol this size, there is no threaded barrel, nor is there an accessory rail. It isnt that horrible WWII symbol and Im not feeling particularly inclined to censor my work in the off chance some asshole thinks they can and should twist a sick narrative around the picture because they feel like I should be insulted by it. What is there not to like about the 365 compared to the 938? As mentioned previously, the Shield Plus shoots like a well-sorted sub-compact or maybe even compact pistol. Springfields Hellcat uses a flat-faced trigger. It also weighs slightly more than the P938, at 1.1 pounds. For me, the P365 shoots straighter even at 25 yards, I can consistently land fast and consistent shots onto a gong. The Sig P365 and Hellcat are pretty dang similar. I do recommend upgrading the trigger. So off to the store we go and I had the 365 in mind. Love a smooth DAO. The slide has front and rear serrations for easy manipulation. Does that make up for 2 whole ounces? Why would the update the article and make it about that model? Springfield Hellcat Micro-Compact 9Mm 3 Barrel 13-Rounds Night Springfield Armory Hellcat Micro-Compact 9Mm 3 Barrel 13-Rounds Springfield Armory Hellcat Micro-Compact 9Mm 3 Barrel 10-Rounds Springfield Hellcat Micro-Compact 9Mm Pistol, Fde - Hc9319F, Springfield Armory Hellcat Micro-Compact Osp Or, We find the dealer that offers you the most money.
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